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Brett Suma, President and COO of Bot Auto, joined Grayson Brulte on The Road to Autonomy podcast to discuss Bot Auto’s playbook for autonomously driving one billion autonomous miles in four years.
On April 29th by completing its first humanless run from Houston to Dallas. To achieve long-term growth and commercial success, Bot Auto is rejecting the standard driver-as-a-service intermediary model used by its competitors. Instead, the company is building direct relationships with shippers and designing a utility grid of capacity focused on solving network sequencing, lane selection, and utilization.
As the company focuses on capital-efficient deployment, Bot Auto plans to sidestep raising large funding rounds to purchase depreciating operations assets. Instead, the company will rely on traditional financing methods, established banking relationships, and an experienced sales force to scale its tractor and trailer counts. With a comprehensive five-year financial roadmap in place, Bot Auto is positioning itself to scale organically based on market demand, setting a disciplined target of one billion autonomous miles within the next four years.

Episode Chapters
0:00 Why Bot Auto
4:56 April 29th Humanless Houston to Dallas Run
9:52 Economics of Humanless Miles
14:36 Building a Trucking Business
17:17 Capacity as a Utility Grid, Not Truck Counts
24:19 Bot Auto's Business Model
29:34 CapEx and Financing Trucks
32:15 Hidden Risk of Operating a Mixed Fleet
41:49 Staying Disciplined as Bot Auto Grows
44:24 One Billion Autonomous Miles in Four Years
47:36 AUTNMY AI

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This week on Autonomy Markets, Grayson Brulte and Walter Piecyk discuss the end of Waymo and Uber's partnership in Phoenix, Tesla's Cybercab hitting the streets of Austin branded for America 250 and Waymo's "Because they're everything" World Cup campaign.
As Tesla gets closer and closer to putting the Cybercab into service, the U.S. Government is inching toward a national framework that would allow vehicles with no steering wheel and no pedals to deploy across all 50 states and charge for rides.
It is the regulatory environment that we believe Tesla is waiting to change before deploying Cybercab into the fleet, even if the rides are free. As Tesla waits for regulatory certainty, The Road to Autonomy broke the news that Waymo and Uber quietly ended their Phoenix partnership, noticing an update on the Uber autonomous vehicle site.
The Phoenix partnership, which lasted 948 days, consisted of a fleet of 12 vehicles that serviced a 180 square mile area. Important to note that this was a dedicated fleet for Uber and the vehicles were not part of the traditional Waymo fleet.
Now that Waymo and Uber have divorced in Phoenix, we believe it is only a matter of time until they divorce in Austin, where the service has been live for 482 days, and Atlanta, where the service has been live for 370 days. Both partnerships could unwind by the first quarter of 2027.
On the Foreign Autonomy Desk, Grayson and Walt discuss the global growth of FSD and Volkswagen and Bosch ending their automated driving partnership, the latest in a long line of stalled autonomy efforts at the German automaker.

Episode Chapters
00:00 Happy 250th Birthday, America
1:15 Waymo and Uber Phoenix Divorce
5:47 Dara, Nuro and Wayve Signals
8:24 Who Could Backfill Phoenix for Uber?
13:52 The Fizzling Demand Narrative
17:51 Cybercab, Branded for America 250
21:53 Regulatory, Not Safety, Is Holding Cybercab Back
24:50 Tesla Semi
25:54 Waymo's World Cup Because They're Everything Campaign
28:06 Robotaxis at Airports
29:32 Chinese Made Vehicles
31:11 Foreign Autonomy Desk
34:15 Next Week

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This week on Autonomy Signals, Grayson Brulte and Rob Grant discuss the pending Uber-Waymo divorce, Agility Robotics’ $2.5 billion SPAC merger with Churchill Capital XI, and the launch of The Road to Autonomy Confidence Indices.
As of May, Waymo and Uber concluded their robotaxi partnership in Phoenix after roughly 948 days, with Waymo going exclusively direct-to-consumer in that market and Uber seeking a replacement partner, with a Nuro / Lucid partnership as the leading candidate.
Uber’s value to select autonomous vehicle operators is highest during market entry, and once an operator builds density and consumer trust, Uber’s value diminishes as the robotaxi provider’s brand grows in that market.
Then there is Agility Robotics, whose $2.5 billion SPAC merger with Churchill Capital XI targets over $620 million in gross proceeds to become the first pure-play humanoid robotics entity in the public markets. The listing could be perceived as a forced transparency event, as SEC disclosures will stress-test the contested 98% task success rate, the $300 million contingent backlog, and a warehouse data moat that risks becoming a depreciating asset as the industry pivots to foundation model generalization.
Closing out the show, Grayson and Rob discuss the launch of The Road to Autonomy Confidence Indices, a first-of-its-kind benchmark tracking the market’s confidence in the global commercial adoption of robotaxis, autonomous driving licensing, autonomous trucks, and delivery bots.
Each index is a single zero-to-100 reading, cryptographically sealed and independently verifiable, and the early divergence is telling, as robotaxi confidence is rising while the market continues to be unsure about autonomous trucking.

Episode Chapters
00:00 Signal 1: Waymo/Uber Divorce: Predictable and Repeatable
34:29 Signal 2: Agility Robotics' $2.5B merger with Churchill Capital XI
55:06 Signal 3: The Road to Autonomy Confidence Indices Launch
1:04:19 AUTNMY AI

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Ali Kashani, Co-Founder and CEO of Serve Robotics, joined Grayson Brulte on The Road to Autonomy podcast to discuss how Serve Robotics scaled its delivery fleet into an operating layer for physical AI.
Over the past year, Serve Robotics has grown from roughly 50 robots to 2,000, and in Q1 2026 the company reported $3 million in revenue with 45% coming from recurring software licenses.
To achieve that growth, Serve is now selling their stack as modular layers, letting other companies license the connectivity, data infrastructure, or hardware piece by piece rather than build everything from scratch. This includes a freemium version of Autonomy Assist, its version of remote assistance.
As the company continues to grow Serve is ramping production of their Gen 3 vehicle, which runs at one-third the cost of Gen 2 while delivering five times the compute, a 48-mile range, four-wheel steering and suspension, and the ability to operate in heavy rain.
The vehicles are sub-assembled in Asia with the completed final assembly occurring in with Magna International in Michigan. This give the company the flexibility to manufacture end to end in Asia for markets where US tariffs make domestic production uneconomical. With international expansion underway in Tokyo and Sydney this year and a larger push planned for 2027, Serve is positioning to follow demand across the APAC region and beyond.

Episode Chapters
0:00 Growing and Scaling Revenue
8:51 Licensing the Platform
11:17 World Models
14:59 The Laundry Vertical
16:52 Expanding Internationally
22:39 Gen 3 Vehicle
26:17 Edge Cases
28:43 Future Form Factors
30:09 Diligent Robotics Acquisition
34:06 The Operating Layer of Physical AI
36:21 Future of Serve Robotics
36:54 AUTNMY AI

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About The Road to Autonomy
The Road to Autonomy is the leading applied intelligence platform covering the convergence of automation, autonomy, and the Autonomy Economy.™.
Through our podcasts, newsletter, Indices and proprietary applied intelligence, we set the narrative for institutional investors, industry executives, and policymakers navigating the convergence of automation, autonomy, and economic growth.
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This week on Autonomy Markets, Grayson Brulte and Walter Piecyk discuss Qualcomm and Mobileye‘s differing robotaxi strategies, NHTSA removing the physical brake requirement for autonomous vehicles and the New York State Legislature failing to advance an autonomous driving bill.
As Congress moves on the Build America 250 Act to legalize autonomous trucking and advances a national framework for autonomous vehicles, Grayson and Walt note that federal action could preempt the hostile policies blocking deployment in New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts.
On the robotaxi side of the business, Mobileye signaled it wants to own and operate a fleet, a press release Grayson flagged for having no city permits and no SEC trail. Walt likened the pivot to BlackBerry building its own product to validate the technology, while Qualcomm took the opposite path at its Investor Day, positioning the company as a low-cost autonomous driving solutions provider that will only supply the Snapdragon automotive platform to enable OEMs to scale their businesses as Qualcomm’s automotive business climbs toward $10 billion by fiscal 2029.
Before segueing into the Foreign Autonomy Desk, Grayson and Walt debate Tesla’s robotaxi turning one year old still short of 100 cars in Austin, Uber’s week of deals and Waymo pausing service around a World Cup stadium, on highways and in some cases heavy rain, leading the hosts to wonder if there is a sensor issue.
On the Foreign Autonomy Desk, China’s Autonomous Belt and Road Initiative continues to accelerate across the globe with Pony.ai launching commercial service in Singapore, Baidu partnering with Swiss Post and WeRide and Uber preparing to launch commercial service in Switzerland.

Episode Chapters
0:00 Back from Hiatus
01:46 New York Continues to Be Hostile to Autonomous Vehicles
05:07 Uber Continues Global Robotaxi Expansion
06:56 The Rise of Non-Binding MOUs
10:28 Waymo Opens Nashville Market
12:16 Waymo's On-Going Sensor Issues
14:53 Tesla Robotaxi One-Year Launch Anniversary
16:12 Mobileye's Robotaxi Fleet Ambitions
21:04 Qualcomm's Growing Automotive Business
28:50 May Mobility's European Expansion
35:36 China’s Autonomous Belt and Road Initiative Continues
36:47 Zoox Design Update
38:27 Nvidia's Neibus Investment
41:20 The Road to Autonomy Indices Launch
43:58 Next Week

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Through our podcasts, newsletter, indices and proprietary applied intelligence, we set the narrative for institutional investors, industry executives, and policymakers navigating the convergence of automation, autonomy, and economic growth.
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