Summation with Auren Hoffman

Bobby Samuels is the co-founder and CEO of Protege, a platform that licenses real-world data from industries like healthcare and media to companies building AI. Protege has raised $65 million from Andreessen Horowitz, CRV, and Flex Capital. Before Protege, Bobby led partnerships at LiveRamp and ran Privacy Hub at Datavant.
In this episode of Summation, Bobby and Auren discuss:
The auction for Spirit Airlines' emails, and what a model learns from a failed airline
Why synthetic data has been "18 months away" for six years
Why every data pitch deck with "hedge funds" on the customer slide is wrong
The genome as the most valuable dataset nobody has unlocked
Why the smartest buyers are the easiest ones to sell to
You can find Auren Hoffman on X at @auren and Bobby Samuels on Linkedin

Roy Schwartz co-founded Axios, the news company known for smart brevity, and helped grow it to a $525 million sale to Cox Enterprises. He's now co-founder and CEO of Axios HQ, an AI-powered internal communications platform spun out of Axios. He co-wrote Smart Brevity, and his new book is Simplify. Before Axios, he was chief revenue officer of Politico.
In this episode of Summation, Roy and Auren discuss:
Meeting bankruptcy: wiping every recurring meeting off the calendar twice a year
AI as a complexity machine and the slop it's adding to every email and deck
The end of well-rounded, and why AI eats anyone who is average
Building Axios for influencers instead of casual readers, plus 200 events a year
You can find Auren Hoffman on X at @auren and Roy Schwartz on LinkedIn

David Kirtley is the co-founder and CEO of Helion Energy, the fusion company. Helion has raised more than $1.5 billion at a $15.5 billion valuation, and Sam Altman is its biggest investor and former chairman. Before fusion, David worked on rocket and space propulsion.
In this episode of Summation, David and Auren discuss:
Skipping the steam turbine and pulling electricity straight out of a star
How a Best Buy network card helped make fusion possible
Regulating a 150 million degree machine like a hospital proton beam
One cent power, and what happens when AI stops being limited by electricity
You can find Auren Hoffman on X at @auren and David Kirtley on X at @Dkirtley

Alex Rampell is a general partner at Andreessen Horowitz, where he leads the firm’s $2.7 billion Apps practice and has driven much of the firm's fintech investing, including Plaid, Mercury, and Opendoor. Before a16z, Alex co-founded multiple companies including Affirm (NASDAQ:AFRM), FraudEliminator (acquired by McAfee in 2006), Point, TrialPay (acquired by Visa in 2015), TXN (acquired by Envestnet in 2019), and Yub (acquired by Coupons.com in 2013).
In this episode of Summation, Alex and Auren discuss:
Why Visa is the purest network effect business in the world and why it's still a duopoly
The reverse Robin Hood hidden inside every rewards credit card
The "hostages, not customers" test for which software companies survive AI
What was once payroll becoming payments and the businesses it unlocks
You can find Auren Hoffman on X at @auren and Alex Rampell on X at @arampell

Chris Hulls is the co-founder and executive chairman of Life360 ($LIF), the family safety and location-sharing app now worth over $5 billion. He was CEO for 17 years before stepping back last year. Before Life360, he served in the Air Force in Afghanistan.
In this episode of Summation, Chris and Auren discuss:
Why he took Life360 public in Australia and why he'd never run a public company again
Why "you want to sound smart, but not interesting" is the secret rule of corporate speak
Why nobody actually cares about privacy, and what finally scares him about AI
Why the work of keeping a home never ends, no matter how rich you get
You can find Auren Hoffman on X at @auren and Chris Hulls on X at @chrishulls