Perpetual Chess Podcast

Can a background as a professional jazz musician help you improve at chess? Matt Rathkey says “yes.”.

Matt is this week's guest on The Adult Improver Series. Like many players, he fell back in love with chess during the COVID pandemic and soon found himself playing regularly, watching top-level broadcasts, and solving puzzles. Along the way, he drew upon lessons from years of studying music, particularly the role of pattern recognition, deliberate practice, and improvisation. After years of dedication,  Matt has raised his Chess.com blitz rating from roughly 1200 to over 1900. 

Matt also has a fascinating day job. He is a learning designer on Duolingo's chess team, helping build what has quickly become one of the largest entry points into chess in the world. Launched last year, Duolingo Chess now has more than 7 million daily active users, most of whom are new to the game.

Matt shares his improvement advice, discusses the parallels between jazz and chess, and reflects on what he has learned about the science of skill acquisition. 

This was a fun conversation, and it is encouraging to see so many new players discovering chess through Duolingo.

00:00 Introduction

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02:00 Matt Rathkey joins

04:10 The Return to Chess: A Pandemic Story

07:04 Rediscovering Chess: The Queen's Gambit Effect

10:08 Setting Goals: The Journey to 1500

Matt’s USCF rating page:

https://ratings.uschess.org/player/13412385

13:09 Learning Through Observation: Active Engagement

16:04 The Importance of Tactics in Chess

18:48 Understanding Openings: Beyond Memorization

21:41 Chess Culture and Personal Growth

24:42 The Future of Chess: Duolingo's Chess Course

34:56 Overcoming Chess Intimidation

36:48 Duolingo Chess: Making Chess Accessible

39:44 Engaging with Oscar: The Duolingo Chess Bot

42:53 Learning Pathways in Duolingo Chess

46:41 Designing Effective Chess Lessons

51:08 Personalized Learning in Chess

53:14 The Intersection of Music and Chess

01:02:06 Advice for Chess Improvement

01:08:24 The Journey of Continuous Improvement

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As a scholastic player, James Black Jr. was an All-American who won numerous national titles and trophies, both as an individual competitor and as part of the famed IS 318 chess program in Brooklyn, New York, as featured in the documentary Brooklyn Castle. Alongside FM Joshua Colas and IM Justus Williams, James became one of the youngest African-American National Masters in U.S. history.

After stepping away from competitive chess for several years, James has recently returned to the game, both as a player and as a coach and mentor. In a full-circle moment, he is now teaching at the same school where he first made his name while also building his own organization, KnightShift.

James joins me to discuss:

• Why he came back to competitive chess, and his goals for the future • The "four pillars" he emphasizes when teaching young players • How chess training has changed since his rise in the early 2010s, and what he needs to do to catch up

Plus, we discuss a unique chess book recommendation, his memories of Webster University, and his reaction to the news that its chess program is coming to an end.

This was a fun conversation, and I am excited to see James's comeback unfold.

00:00 Intro+ What brought James back to chess after an OTB hiatus

Mentioned: Brooklyn Castle

https://www.rescuedmedia.com/brooklyn-castle

GM Alex Lenderman, GM-elect Liam Putnam

Background info we mentioned:

https://grokipedia.com/page/james_black_jr

10:59 Teaching and Learning: Evolving Chess Education

Watch James vs. Magnus in 2012 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlfbpC3dQWw

17:16 Opening Strategies: Adapting to Modern Chess

23:25 Inspiration from Legends: Shaping a Chess Career

29:28 Beyond the Board: Life Lessons Through Chess

34:36 Reflections on Growth: Embracing the Journey

36:12 Impact of Mentorship in Chess

38:48 Teaching Chess to Young Minds

43:00- Favorite chess book! 

Mentioned: WNYC video featuring James as a kid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiOVyiR5jUU

Knight Moves by Charles Alexander-

https://www.ebay.com/itm/126711532470?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&google_free_listing_action=view_item&srsltid=AfmBOopTKnSuidd7Eg5M3-xYtoYzP97-jcvhVtZSPv1S1T25hE9dzgcXGsU

48:58 Experiences at Webster University

Webster terminates chess program:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/spice-chess-program-terminated

53:49 Advice for Aspiring Chess Players

Thanks to James for sharing his story!

You can email him at 

JamesBlackChess at gmail dot com

Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/knightshiftofficial_/

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GM Simon Williams returns to Perpetual Chess for the first time in several years. Simon is one of chess's most recognizable personalities, known as the Ginger GM through his work as a streamer, commentator, author and Chessable creator. He is also an accomplished tournament player, having shared first in the 2010 London Chess Classic and finished second in the 2004 British Championship.

Simon joined me for a wide-ranging conversation covering both chess and life. We discussed:

• His candid reflections on becoming involved with a pension company that later collapsed, the mistakes he made, and how he has worked to move forward

• His new role helping revitalize Chesspublishing.com, and why he believes its archive of opening analysis remains an underappreciated resource

• How modern opening preparation has changed, and why Simon increasingly relies on offbeat ideas to avoid preparation battles

• His love of creative, attacking chess and the memorable games he has played at the Reykjavik Open

We also discussed the Stonewall Dutch, rising British star Bodhana Sivanandan, the losses of IM Adam Hunt and GM Jonathan Hawkins, and even Simon's thoughts on Las Vegas.

As always, it was great catching up with Simon, and I am glad to see him creating chess content again.

 

00:00 The 2026 Reykjavik Open and Simon’s flair for the dramatic chess game 

Check out Simon’s epic queen sacrifice in this article by NM Anthony Levin:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/2023-reykjavik-open-williams-sacrifices-queen#:~:text=Williams%27%20Brilliancy,he%20played%20the%20interesting%205.

04:45 How Simon has adapted his approach to openings in the engine age 

Mentioned: Simon’s game vs. Bodhana Sivanadan

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=3124933

07:35 Playing Against Younger Opponents

10:38 The State of British Chess

13:32 Exploring the Stonewall Dutch

Mentioned: Bronstein’s famous blunder- 

https://www.chess.com/blog/ThummimS/the-1951-world-chess-championship

16:32 The Impact of Computer Analysis

19:39 Experiences playing against legends at the 2025 European Club Cup

22:26 Simon’s Involvement with Chess Publishing

More background info here:

https://www.chess.com/news/view/simon-williams-ordered-to-pay-back-900-000-to-pension-scheme

26:30 Innovative Chess Solutions

28:11 Lessons learned from working for a pension firm that went bankrupt. 

35:42 Navigating Financial Mistakes

40:17 The Importance of Chess in Life

44:48 Content Creation and Future Projects

Keep an eye out for The Ginger and The Bear podcast!

48:54 Remembering IM Adam Hunt and GM Jonathan Hawkins 

50:00- How to keep up with GM Simon Williams

Suggestions for Chesspublishing.com 

https://www.chesspublishing.com/contact

X:

https://x.com/ginger_gm?lang=en

YouTube: 

https://www.youtube.com/gingergm

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Jordan Himelfarb is an award-winning editor for the Toronto Star and an avid games player who became fascinated by elite chess during the pandemic. That fascination eventually led to his excellent new book,  Interregnum : Inside the Grueling and Glamourous Battle to Become the Next King of Chess, a detailed and highly readable chronicle of the 2024 FIDE Candidates cycle.

Jordan traveled to events including the World Cup, Grand Swiss, Candidates Tournament and World Championship match, gathering revealing first-hand reflections from many of the game’s top players along the way.

We discuss:


Why the Candidates cycle makes for such compelling sports drama


The emotional and physical toll of professional chess


Which players and personal stories resonated with him most


Ding Liren, Fabiano Caruana, Gukesh and the shifting generational landscape in chess


The controversies, chaos and unforgettable moments of the 2024 cycle

I recommend Jordan’s book to anyone looking for “bedtime chess reading”, and this was a really fun conversation.

00:00 Project Origins, Jordan’s Chess and Games Background

03:48 The Structure and Narrative of the Book

07:01 Experiences at Major Chess Events

09:54 Challenges and Insights in Reporting

12:46 The Physical and Mental Toll of Chess

15:58 Gender Dynamics in Chess

19:00- Patreon mailbag question: Which Candidates’ story resonated with Jordan the most? 

22:16 The Weight of the Crown: Mental Health in Chess

23:40 Compelling Stories of Chess Players

25:30 The Agony and Ecstasy of Chess

30:07 The Relentless Grind of Chess Tournaments

31:09 Drama and Controversy in the Chess World

36:20 Expectations and Surprises in the Candidates Cycle

38:13 The Future of Young Chess Players

39:54 Personal Reflections on Chess

40:00- Thanks to Jordan for joining me, here is where to get the book:

https://www.amazon.com/Interregnum-Inside-Grueling-Glamorous-Battle/dp/1639369910

Audiobook:

https://www.amazon.com/Interregnum-Inside-Grueling-Glamorous-Battle/dp/B0GCPR89VZ/ref=tmm_aud_swatch_0

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Paulo SantAnna is living the dream of many adult chess improvers. The retired software engineer has spent the past several years devoting serious time and energy to improving his game, and the results have been impressive. When Paulo rekindled his interest in tournament chess, his FIDE rating had fallen to a recent low of 1850. Through years of hard study, travel, disciplined training, and resilience, he recently reached a new high over 2100 FIDE in his mid-50s!

We discuss:


The moment Paulo decided to get serious about improvement


The mistakes he made early in his comeback


How he structures his training


Study recommendations and practical advice for adult improvers


Physical fitness, tournament selection, and maintaining motivation

I found Paulo’s story inspiring, and it offers hope for the rest of us,  if we only could get rid of these pesky jobs.

0:00 Intro 

More on the Adult Improver series here:

https://www.perpetualchesspod.com/adultimprover

Thanks to those who keep the show running!

Patreon 

Check out Chessiverse.com (discount code- ‘Perpetual30’)

4:00 Paulo’s chess comeback story begins

Check out Paulo’s FIDE history here:

https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2027402

6:00 Why his rating rebounded after moving to Europe

8:00 Retirement, Spain trips, and dedicating serious time to chess

11:00 Studying 35 hours a week

13:00 The dangers of doing too much

More about the Chessdojo  here (use code “Ben” at checkout to save 10%) :

https://www.chessdojo.club/signup

17:00 Calculation training and daily routines

20:00 Openings, Chessable streaks, and training structure

23:00 Online blitz, model games, and coaching

25:00 How much he studies versus other adult improvers

27:00 Avoiding burnout and keeping motivation

29:00 Brazilian chess streamers and coaches

Paulo has worked with: GM Rafael Leitao, GM Andres Rodriguez,GM Diego Flores, GM Lenderman, GM Izoria, GM Eugene Perelshteyn,GM Raven Sturt,  IM Jorge Bobadilla

31:00 Working with top trainers like Eugene Perelshteyn and Axel Bachmann

33:00 Blindfold training with GM Roven Vogel

36:00 What mattered most for improvement

38:00 Hiding online repertoires and preparation

40:00 Sparring games and training partners

41:00 His breakthrough tournaments

42:00 Tournament prep philosophy

46:00 Fitness, stamina, and nutrition for chess

49:00 Chess scenes in New York and California

52:00 Senior tournaments and future plans

54:00 Favorite chess books and resources

Mentioned: Postional Play by GM Jacob Aagaard, Endgame Strategy by Shereshevsky 

57:00 Advice for busy adult improvers

58:00 Rating goals and pursuit of FM

1:00:00 Why adults struggle to improve

1:03:00 Final thoughts

1:04:00- Thanks to Paulo for sharing his story! You can reach him at:

psantann at gmail.dot.com

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