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  • Autonomous Vehicle Safety with Professor Phil Koopman
    Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts, YouTube, Spotify, and Substack.In this episode, I chat with Professor Philip Koopman, a top voice in Autonomous Vehicle safety with nearly 30 years of experience in the field, and a longtime professor and researcher at Carnegie Mellon University. We talk about his transition out of academia, what originally motivated his writing on AV safety, and how the industry’s been responding (or not responding) to the standards he’s been advocating for.Phil shares his take on Waymo’s safety record, Tesla’s robotaxi launch, and why measuring AV safety isn’t as simple as counting injuries and crashes. We also get into how public trust is built—or lost—and what AV companies need to be thinking about as they move from pilot to scale.Just a note: we recorded this episode on 6/17 before Tesla’s robotaxi launch but focused 90% of the conversation on more broad AV themes and evergreen topics.Chapters(00:00) Introduction to Professor Philip Koopman(01:31) Phil's transition from academia to consulting?(02:14) What was the motivation behind Phil's writing on AV safety?(05:20) Phil’s general outlook on the AV industry and companies.(10:22) Thoughts on Waymo's safety record and industry challenges?(17:50) How do freeways impact AV safety?(21:24) What are the objective measures for AV safety?(23:18) Some AV industry safety standards?(24:46) What’s the flaw in counting injuries and fatalities in AV safety reporting?(26:44) Real world examples of safety incidents beyond injuries and fatalities(28:53) Legal implications of negligence(31:55) Public perception and trust in AV technology, and how they’re shaped(35:18) AV Companies’ outlook on public perception.(39:14) What are your thoughts on Tesla’s Robotaxi deployment?(47:10) Final thoughts and advice for AV companiesPhil Koopman’s Substack: Autonomous System Safety by Phil Koopman- Harry This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thedriverlessdigest.com
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  • Thomas von der Ohe on Vay’s new partnership with Kodiak (Interview)
    Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts, YouTube, Spotify, and Substack.In today’s episode, I speak with Thomas von der Ohe, co-founder and CEO of Vay, a company transforming mobility with its automotive-grade Remote Driving technology. Vay’s door-to-door service provides a convenient alternative to both autonomous driving and private car ownership.Thomas shares how Vay’s unique approach to remote driving differs from full autonomy, and discusses the company’s B2C driverless rental car service now available in Las Vegas. We also dive into their growing B2B strategy, and a newly announced partnership with Kodiak Robotics to enable remotely-driven trucks.He also touches on the broader potential of this technology across sectors like personal vehicles, defense, agriculture, and package delivery — all part of Vay’s mission to reduce private car ownership and pave the way for safer, greener cities.Kodiak Robotics PartnershipVay’s new partnership with autonomous trucking company Kodiak Robotics will incorporate assisted autonomy technology into Kodiak’s fully autonomous technology stack. This allows Kodiak to complement its fully autonomous operations with remote human assistance as needed, enabling a human to remotely control a truck in certain low-speed and clearly-defined scenarios that benefit from human involvement. This is crucial because, as Kodiak Robotics Founder & CEO Don Burnette puts it:No matter the maturity of an autonomous driving system, there are still scenarios that will benefit from human assistance, if only as a backup. Assisted Autonomy can be helpful in situations such as interpreting law enforcement hand signals. Rather than recreating the wheel on a remote assistance solution, we have chosen to partner with Vay, in our opinion, the industry leader, which we believe will expedite our ability to safely scale.I like this hybrid approach since Vay can effectively use remote drivers to solve ‘the last 1% of autonomy’ and leave the more straightforward parts of autonomous driving to Kodiak. Take a listen to the episode and let us know what you think.Chapters00:00 - Introduction to Thomas von der Ohe and Vay01:24 - What sets Vay apart in the AV landscape02:24 - How Vay Driverless Rental Cars in Las Vegas work04:22 - What is Vay’s expansion into B2B and partnership with Kodiak about?05:01 - What are the skepticisms around remote driving?08:03 - Background on Kodiak Robotics09:14 - Details of Vay’s application in Kodiak’s autonomous driving10:49 - Benefits of remote driving jobs12:45 - How Vay solves the last 1% of autonomous driving.16:27 - Some new verticals and opportunities for Vay’s remote driving tech23:44 - Conclusion and Final ThoughtsLink to trucking video mentioned at 09:12 - Truck Driver Salary: Here's What It's REALLY Like to Be a Truck Driver!!- Harry This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thedriverlessdigest.com
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  • Inside Alto’s Fleet Partnership with Uber
    Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts, YouTube, Spotify, and Substack.In this episode, I interview Will Coleman, co-founder and CEO of Alto, an innovative rideshare and delivery service emphasizing safety, hospitality, and consistency. Will discusses Alto's operations in multiple U.S. cities, their unique business model involving employed drivers and owned vehicles, and their strategic focus on fleet management as a foundation for electric and autonomous mobility. Most importantly, the conversation delves into Alto's newest partnership with Uber, the complexities of fleet management, and the differentiation factors contributing to their success, such as lower insurance costs and high service quality. Will also touches on the benefits and challenges of scaling, and shares insights on the future of autonomous vehicles in the rideshare industry.Chapters00:00 - Introduction to Will Coleman and Alto01:09 - Will's alternate bio and podcast introduction02:57 - Alto's unique business model04:06 - Challenges of fleet management08:54 - Partnership with Uber16:18 - Benefits of Alto's model for Uber21:56 - Unique experience in the rideshare industry23:30 - Challenges and solutions in fleet management27:14 - The Alto Fleet and electrification29:25 - Potential Downsides of the Partnership34:00 - Alto’s Place in the Autonomous Vehicle Market38:25 - Alto’s reaction to the Waymo Business40:46 - Future Plans and Closing Remarks- Harry This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thedriverlessdigest.com
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  • Uber’s Vision for the Future of Autonomous Mobility and Delivery
    Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts, YouTube, Spotify, Substack.Join Harry, Richard Willder, Global Head of Autonomous Policy at Uber, and Sergei Kirillov, Chief Commercial Officer at Avride, as they discuss Uber’s vision for the future of autonomous mobility and delivery. As the AV industry scales up, companies are taking different paths—some going all-in on full autonomy, while others, like Uber, are building hybrid networks that combine self-driving and human-driven vehicles. So why is Uber betting on this approach? How are they working with over 14 AV partners? What does this mean for workers, city infrastructure, and the future of transportation? We dig into all that and more in this conversation.Chapters00:04 - Intros00:55 - What Uber and Avride is currently working on regarding autonomous technology07:05 - What Uber brings to the table for AV partners.09:30 - What makes a city or market ideal for AV deployment11:25 - How AV deployment can benefit cities13:10 - Potential downsides of AVs to cities and mitigations14:40 - The value of autonomous mobility and delivery for Uber19:00 - How Uber approaches balancing driver interests with AV rollout21:40 - Will AVs create or reduce opportunities for human workers long-term?25:00 - When do people prefer AVs vs human drivers for mobility and delivery?27:54 - Final thoughts and closing comments- Harry This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thedriverlessdigest.com
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  • Should Lyft Drivers Be Worried About Autonomous Vehicles? (Jeremy Bird Interview)
    Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts, YouTube, Spotify, and Substack.In this pilot episode of the TDD podcast, I sat down with Jeremy Bird, EVP of Driver Experience at Lyft. We chatted about his role and responsibilities, including his focus on autonomous vehicles (AV) and their integration into Lyft’s services.Jeremy talked about the importance of being real with drivers about what AVs mean for them, highlighting the potential for a hybrid future where both AVs and human-driven cars coexist. He also shared some news about Lyft’s upcoming partnership with May Mobility to roll out AVs on the platform, and stresses the need for economic mobility and support for drivers. We got into topics like driver earnings, transparency, a new rewards program, and ways Lyft is helping drivers to advance or transition in their careers. Even with all the changes AVs might bring, Jeremy made it clear that the goal is to grow the overall market — and make things better for both drivers and riders.Chapters00:36 - Intros2:13 - What is Lyft’s main focus right now?5:00 - Should drivers be worried about AVs?7:07 - What has the growth in San Francisco been like?10:04 - How will Lyft assist drivers with the rise of AVs?13:15 - How would the ride options be for human drivers/riders in the future?17:40 - Are human drivers in competition with AVs?25:06 - Will drivers earn less money because of AVs?29:29 - Will driving for Lyft get better or worse in the future?31:20 - What drives Lyft’s success?34:53 - How does Lyft compare with Uber?38:48 - Where to learn more about Lyft and what they’re up to.- Harry This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.thedriverlessdigest.com
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