The Dave Chang Show

Dave makes an incredibly unlikely dish for him to make: a casserole.

Dave has Oscar and Emmy-winning writer/director Cord Jefferson as his guest and makes chicken divan to try to bring him back to his childhood. The duo talk their recent trip to Las Vegas together, Cord's unusual route to where he is today, and their philosophies on failure and success.

They talk about maintaining a worldly curiosity, trying new things, and how learning what you don't like can be just as important as learning what you do, then finish with a MOIF about Vegas.

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Watch American Fiction: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt23561236/ 

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Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Cord Jefferson

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Dionte Mercado, Nikola Stanjevich, Samya McCoy, Michael Delgado

Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian

Editor: Jake Loskutoff
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Dave made a special gumbo recipe for a guest ... but got a different guest than he bargained for, and one he knows very well.

He and his new guest talk off the cuff about the differences between jambalaya and gumbo, discuss how New Orleans has the most distinct food culture of any U.S. city, and debate which city best represents the food of the South, all while acknowledging a lack of expertise.

They finish with a quick atlas of where to eat in New Orleans.

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Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Chris Ying

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Additional Crew: Michael Berger, Dionte Mercado, Elizabeth Styles, Dan McCoy, Greg Scott Davis

Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian

Editor: Jake Loskutoff
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Dave turns a solo episode into a shabu-shabu meal with our pal Chris Ying.

They talk about the beauty of dishes like shabu-shabu, whether they like fish balls, and how Dave makes a delicious sauce for the dish.

The duo then talks about Dave's recent trip to San Francisco, Chef Corey Lee and his restaurants, and both the admiration and ire Corey causes in Dave... for being so dang good.

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Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Chris Ying

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Additional Crew: Donald LoBianco, Elizabeth Styles, Lighting Dionte Mercado 

Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian

Editor: Jake Loskutoff
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Dave has director and filmmaker David Ma in the studio, who is known for his amazing work with food on-screen.

Dave makes an unusual pairing of delicious dishes for David: a breakfast burrito and clay pot rice. See if he can nail them both ... or neither?

The duo discusses how David Ma made the leap from advertising to filmmaking, as well as how he innovated his personal style of shooting food. They also compare notes on perfect imperfection, Japan, and craft services on film sets.

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Host: Dave Chang

Guest: David Ma

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Michael Berger, Elizabeth Styles, Samya McCoy, Greg Scott Davis

Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian

Editor: Jake Loskutoff
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Dave makes a quick snack that you might see more and more often in the coming years: dried squid.

He talks about the rising amount of cephalopods in the ocean, discusses the specific umami and texture of squid, and ponders whether it might be coming to more and more grocery store shelves near you.

He also answers an Ask Dave about London eating and general dining strategy when on a short trip in a new place.

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Host: Dave Chang

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Nikola Stanjevich, Michael Delgado, Dan McCoy, Molly O'Keefe, Michael Berger

Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian

Editor: Jake Loskutoff
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