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    An interview with John Baker…forty years in air traffic control (1970-2010)

    17.03.2026 | 1 Std. 9 Min.
    From filling in paper slips at West Drayton to the high tech world at Swanwick, John Baker reflects on a four-decades managing the skies above Britain. From explaining how he got a job at West Drayton and his initial training, to life at Swanwick, he explores the demanding lifestyle, challenges and fun he had along the way.

    Leaving school with four ‘O’ Levels, the minimum entry requirement at the time, John joined London Air Traffic Control Centre (LATCC) at West Drayton near Heathrow as an Air Traffic Control Assistant (ATCA) at just 17¾ years old, gaining valuable operational experience.

    Shift work began on a repeating four-day cycle and when the shift system became even more complicated in 1973, John recalls his mother-in-law keeping a wall chart to track family members’ shifts to determine who would be home for meals.

    His four years’ practical experience, together with gaining a Private Pilot’s Licence (PPL), was accepted as equivalent to A-level qualifications and enabled John to meet the entry requirements to train as an Air Traffic Control Officer (ATCO). He began the three-year ATCO training programme in 1974.

    The three-year training course was intensive and wide-ranging, starting with visits to operational airfields at Guernsey and Bournemouth (Hurn) airports so trainees could speak directly with working pilots rather than rely solely on simulators. Tower training involved learning runway operations and local procedures. Specialist training in area, radar and approach control took place at other centres, including the LATCC, RAF Watton, and Prestwick Airport. At Prestwick, he recalls handling a Concorde, a Boeing 707, and a Piper Cherokee in the circuit at the same time.

    After qualifying, John avoided a posting to Sumburgh in the Shetland Islands by claiming to have a fiancée, and he remained at West Drayton for most of his career. When the centre closed, operations moved to Swanwick near Southampton, where he continued until retiring in 2010.

    John provides detailed insight into the realities of ATC work such as managing flight progress strips, using precise ATC shorthand and IATC codes to avoid misunderstandings, and maintaining strict communication discipline. He recalls incidents that illustrate the responsibility of the role, including questioning a pilot after fuel vapour was seen trailing from an aircraft and following an instinct to check on another pilot - an intervention he describes as his ‘good deed of the day’.

    He emphasises the importance of teamwork in sharing responsibility and contrasts ATC’s intense but contained shift work, where you can leave the job behind at the end of a shift with the ongoing pressures of modern office work where it can be difficult to avoid emails.

    Over his career, John witnessed major technological change as paper-based processes gradually gave way to electronic systems. Early on, a “Minicap” computer printed paper flight strips, but it was still switched off weekly so controllers could maintain their skills in writing strips by hand. It was later replaced by the more advanced IBM 9020 system. He also describes the introduction of transponders, which greatly improved flight planning and tracking.

    Although he enjoyed earning his PPL, John realised he preferred the slower pace of ballooning to piloting powered aircraft. Part 2 of John’s interview will talk about his involvement with the British Balloon and Airship Club and the British Balloon Museum and Library. He also tells stories about his time working in ATC for the Farnborough Air Show.

    John Baker was interviewed by Dr Kit Mitchell FRAeS as part of the Royal Aeronautical Society/National Aerospace Library’s oral history project ‘If I only didn’t do it that way…….” Capturing history from the horse’s mouth to inspire today’s aeronautical professionals. The recording was edited by edited by Eur Ing Mike Stanberry FRAeS.

    A transcript of the interview recording is available on the National Aerospace Library catalogue: John Baker oral history interview | National Aerospace Library
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    AEROSPACE NOTAM - March 2026 - Iran conflict analysis

    07.03.2026 | 42 Min.
    In the latest podcast in the series from the Royal Aeronautical Society's monthly AEROSPACE magazine, Editor in Chief Tim Robinson and Features Editor Dominic Ward analyse recent aviation, aerospace and space news - and preview the newest (March 2026) edition of the magazine, as well as looking at the military and commercial aviation implications of the ongoing conflict in the Middle East.
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    An interview with Roger Cansdale CEng FRAeS… a career in helicopter development at the RAE

    11.02.2026 | 1 Std. 21 Min.
    Helicopter man Roger Cansdale CEng FRAeS reflects on a remarkable four-decade career in aerospace and weapons development with the Royal Aircraft Establishment (RAE) and QinetiQ. From helicopter programmes and advancing flight safety to contributing to cutting-edge weapons systems, Roger shares his insights on the innovations, challenges, and his lasting impact on UK aviation and defence.
    After graduating from the University of Bristol in 1964, Roger began his distinguished career at Farnborough, first with the RAE and later as part of QinetiQ. He started in the Structures Department’s Dynamics Division before moving, ten years later, to the Airworthiness Division, where he played a leading role in ensuring the structural integrity and flight safety of UK military helicopters.
    Roger’s helicopter work included providing expert guidance on the Westland Lynx and first-hand involvement in developing the BERP rotor (British Experimental Rotor Programme). He describes problem-solving as one of the most satisfying aspects of his career and highlights the strong partnerships he built with Westland. He also involved in assessing the safety of historic Army helicopters, where his careful judgement contributed to the Civil Aviation Authority’s decision to withdraw the Skeeter’s permit to fly.
    Later in his career, after a brief period in the RAE’s Management Support Unit, Roger broadened his expertise to weapons systems, including work on the Matra-BAE Storm Shadow programme.
    Looking back, Roger fondly recalls a memorable anecdote from his student years: a summer spent in the United States working with actor Buster Crabbe, famous for his roles as Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, and Tarzan.
    Roger’s achievements have been recognised with numerous awards. He received the N E Rowe Medal from the Royal Aeronautical Society (RAeS) for a paper written while at university. Later, he was honoured with the RAeS Bronze Medal for outstanding contributions to flight safety, following a nomination by Westland, and the prestigious Wakefield Gold Medal.

    Roger Cansdale CEng FRAeS was interviewed by Dr Kit Mitchell FRAeS as part of the Royal Aeronautical Society/National Aerospace Library’s oral history project  ‘If I only didn’t do it that way…….” Capturing history from the horse’s mouth to inspire today’s aeronautical professionals. The recording was edited by Eur Ing Mike Stanberry FRAeS.

    A transcript of the interview recording is available on the National Aerospace Library catalogue: Roger Cansdale oral history interview | National Aerospace Library
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    AEROSPACE NOTAM - February 2026

    10.02.2026 | 1 Std. 3 Min.
    In the latest podcast in the series from the Royal Aeronautical Society's monthly AEROSPACE magazine, Editor in Chief Tim Robinson, Deputy Editor Stephen Bridgewater and Features Editor Dominic Ward analyse recent aviation, aerospace and space news - and preview the newest (February 2026) edition of the magazine.
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    Why run an apprenticeship?

    10.02.2026 | 23 Min.
    Why do companies choose to run apprenticeship programmes? We spoke directly to the employers who hire apprentices to explore the real value apprenticeships bring to their businesses, featuring insights from 2Excel Aviation and Marshall ADG.

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