The 3-2-1 rule is dead. Long live 3-2-1-1-0. For decades, the 3-2-1 rule has been the gold standard for backup strategies - three copies of your data, on two different media, with one copy somewhere else. But ransomware killed it. Not because the fundamentals were wrong, but because threat actors learned to target backups specifically. In this episode, Curtis and Prasanna explain why the traditional 3-2-1 rule isn't enough anymore and what the evolution to 3-2-1-1-0 means for your backup strategy. The extra "1" stands for one immutable, air-gapped copy that attackers can't delete or encrypt. The "0" means zero failures - your backups must actually work when you need them. You'll learn why SaaS platforms don't meet the 3-2-1 rule, how to think about immutability in the cloud era, and why this upgrade isn't optional if you want to survive a ransomware attack.Our interview with Peter Krogh, the one who coined the term:https://www.backupwrapup.com/peter-krogh-who-coined-the-3-2-1-rule-on-our-podcast/
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How to Set Realistic Recovery Point Objective (RPO) Goals
Want to know how much data you're really willing to lose? We're breaking down recovery point objective RPO - the agreement about how much data loss you can accept, measured in time. Most organizations have RPOs that are pure fantasy, claiming they can only lose an hour of data when they're backing up once a day. Curtis and Prasanna discuss why RPO matters, how ransomware scenarios can force you to accept more data loss than planned, and the difference between your stated RPO and your actual backup frequency. Learn practical strategies for rightsizing your backup schedule, using database transaction logs to minimize data loss, leveraging snapshot-based backup technologies, and protecting your SaaS applications like Microsoft 365 and Salesforce. From incremental backups to continuous data protection, discover how modern backup technology can help you meet your recovery point objective RPO targets without overwhelming your infrastructure.
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Recovery Time Objective vs Reality: Closing the Gap
Most IT teams can't meet their recovery time objective—and they don't even know it. In this episode of The Backup Wrap-up, Curtis and Prasanna explain why your RTO is probably fantasy, who should actually be setting it (hint: not you), and what recovery time actual really means. We cover the critical difference between objectives and reality, why testing is non-negotiable, and how to have honest conversations with business leadership about what's achievable. Learn about DR drills, chaos engineering, tabletop exercises, and why measuring your actual recovery times is the only way to close the gap. Stop feeling like a failure and start building realistic, tested recovery plans that actually work when disaster strikes.
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Microsoft 365 backup is NOT an option - It's mandatory
Many organizations believe that Microsoft 365 backup is handled by Microsoft. That's a dangerous misconception. In this episode, W. Curtis Preston (Mr. Backup) and Microsoft 365 expert Vanessa Toves explain why you own your data and are responsible for protecting it—not Microsoft. They discuss the limitations of the recycle bin, why retention policies aren't backups, and what can go wrong when organizations assume SaaS means hands-off data protection. Whether you're running a Fortune 500 company or a small business, if you're using Microsoft 365, you need a proper backup solution. Learn why the shared responsibility model means you're on the hook for your data, and what you can do to protect it. This conversation will change how you think about cloud data protection.
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Detect Ransomware Before It Destroys Your Business
Ransomware detection is more complex than most organizations realize. In this episode, cybersecurity expert Mike Saylor breaks down the real-world signs of ransomware attacks—from users complaining about slow computers to smart devices acting strangely. We explore polymorphic malware that changes based on its target, the risks posed by managed service providers using shared credentials, and why milliseconds matter in ransomware detection and response. Mike explains the difference between EDR, XDR, SIEM, and SOAR tools, helping you understand which security solutions you actually need. We also discuss why 24/7 monitoring is non-negotiable and how even small businesses can afford proper ransomware detection capabilities. If you're trying to protect your organization without breaking the bank, this episode offers practical guidance on building your security stack and knowing when to call in expert help.
Formerly known as "Restore it All," The Backup Wrap-up podcast turns unappreciated backup admins into cyber recovery heroes. After a brief analysis of backup-related news, each episode dives deep into one topic that you can use to better protect your organization from data loss, be it from accidents, disasters, or ransomware.
The Backup Wrap-up is hosted by W. Curtis Preston (Mr. Backup) and his co-host Prasanna Malaiyandi. Curtis' passion for backups began over 30 years ago when his employer, a $35B bank, lost its purchasing database – and the backups he was in charge of were worthless. After miraculously not being fired, he resolved to learn everything he could about a topic most people try to get away from. His co-host, Prasanna, saw similar tragedies from the vendor side of the house and also wanted to do whatever he could to stop that from happening to others.
A particular focus lately has been the scourge of ransomware that is plaguing IT organizations across the globe. That's why in addition to backup and disaster recovery, we also touch on information security techniques you can use to protect your backup systems from ransomware. If you'd like to go from being unappreciated to being a cyber recovery hero, this is the podcast for you.
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