Spirit Gym with Paul Chek

When people ask for your opinions about UFOs, are the little green men from The X-Files the first things that pop in your head?
Michael Jawer, author of the upcoming book What UFOs Really Are, believes we should be less focused on aliens flying in the sky and directing our attention on our inner selves and downward to living things anchored on the ground like plants, trees and fungi. 
Join Paul and Michael on a wide-ranging conversation that could make you look at reality in a brand-new way this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Michael’s work on his website and Linkedin.
Timestamps
2:20 Michael’s next book, What UFOs Really Are, coming out in December.
3:39 “My myth begins with emotion.”
13:51 Abnormalities like UFOs/UAPs (unidentified anomalous phenomena) are where enigmas often meet stigmas.
17:17 UAPs are forms of sentience, but not here to take over our planet.
26:59 Is lucid dreaming connected to remote viewing?
39:06 “The dimension that I'm most interested in is what's under the surface, or what we don’t see within our own unconsciousness.”
45:45 Is the unconscious poorly understood, incorrectly named or both?
58:00 Does an electron or atom feel like anything?
1:08:37 Michael is directing his attention inward and downward, rather than toward the skies.
1:13:50 C.H. Waddington’s concept of creodes.
1:21:27 UFOs and UAPs shake up our perceptions and invite us to consider viewing reality in different ways.
1:28:16 Paul’s question, What is on the sun?, is answered.
1:36:16 The ancient origins of AI.
1:46:06 “Humanity is in peril because we have archaic emotions, medieval institutions and god-like technology.”
1:48:56 John Lennon’s UFO sighting.
Resources
Michael’s recent appearance on New Thinking Allowed with Jeffrey Mishlove on YouTube
The Spiritual Anatomy of Emotion: How Feelings Link the Brain, the Body and the Sixth Sense by Michael Jawer and Dr. Marc Micozzi
Your Emotional Type: Key to the Therapies That Will Work For You by Michael Jawer and Dr. Marc Micozzi
Sensitive Soul: The Unseen Role of Emotion in Extraordinary States by Michael Jawer
Planta Sapiens: The New Science of Plant Intelligence by Paco Calvo and Natalie Lawrence
Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life by Dacher Keltner
The 2017 New York Times article about the Pentagon’s UFO program
A British military defense unit report on acquiring UFO tech from the Jerusalem Post
The Hidden Life of Trees and The Inner Life of Animals by Peter Wohlleben
The Future of Life by Edward O. Wilson
Disclosure Day (movie)
Arrival (movie)
The Soul of an Octopus by Sy Montgomery
After by Dr. Bruce Greyson
Rupert Sheldrake’s paper, Is the Sun Conscious?
Rupert Sheldrake’s banned TED talk on YouTube
The Trickster and the Paranormal by George Hansen
The Mystic Spiral: Journey of the Soul by Jill Purce
Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies by Carl Jung
Compendium of the Emerald Tablets by Billy Carson
The work of Ingo Swann, Barbara Hand Clow, Dr. Michael Levin, Steven Greer, Peter Godfrey-Smith, Jenny Randles and Jacques Vallée
Your Body is Your Subconscious Mind by Candace Pert
The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird
The Secret Life of Nature: Living in Harmony With The Hidden World of Nature Spirits From Fairies to Quarks by Peter Tompkins
The Unknown Spirit by Jean-Emile Charon
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Do you remember hearing from your Higher Power for the very first time?
John Novello heard a voice from Source — what he calls the Invisible Architect — telling him, “Point to the keyboard,” at the ripe, old age of three. That cosmic whisper led John to a long and successful career as a composer and acclaimed jazz pianist.
Another conversation later in life led John to write his best-selling book, The Invisible Architect: How to Design a Perfect Life from Within, as a way to help others tap into the wisdom and knowledge that sits inside them waiting to be tapped.
John goes deep into the Invisible Architect and shares his Be, Do, Have philosophies of life this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about John’s work as a bestselling author at this link and his first career as an acclaimed jazz pianist and composer at this link. Check out his 1-1 mentoring program at this link. Find him on social media via Facebook and Linkedin.
Timestamps
3:35 John’s upcoming book series, The Invisible Architect Guide For Young Souls, for kids.
9:44 John’s first experience with the Invisible Architect at age three.
14:23 A conversation with the Architect that led to John writing The Invisible Architect as a way to pay it forward.
19:28 What is the Invisible Architect?
28:53 The importance of reciprocity.
34:34 Are you really aware there’s an inner voice inside you waiting to be heard?
49:14 Few people know how to listen to the Invisible Architect.
52:48 Why John believes humans have no souls.
58:39 Remember the future.
1:01:03 Applying John’s Be, Do, Have philosophies and the Law of Thought Substitution.
1:13:46 Who goes to the afterlife?
1:20:59 A prayer John says to invite the Architect and express perfection through him.
1:32:53 The ultimate way to manifest anything, according to Thomas Troward.
1:42:41 Most people operate on the Have, Do, Be system and can’t convert a goal into a fact.
1:52:52 The seven milestones of John’s Be, Do, Have process.
2:00:31 Refining your Be is critical.
2:16:51 Instead of the law of attraction, John reframes it as three things: The law of reflection, law of cause and effect or law of resonance.
2:21:00 “The journey is not one of becoming, but one of remembering.”
Resources
Invisible architecture
Tao of Jeet Kune Do by Bruce Lee
Conversations with God: an uncommon dialogue book 1 by Neale Donald Walsch
The Celestine Prophecy by James Redfield
The work of Bob Carver, Lawrence Welk, Myron Floren, Walter Russell, Dan Inosanto, Zig Ziglar, Eckard Tolle, David Bohm, Delores Cannon, Wei Wu Wei, Neville Goddard, Sri Aurobindo
Finite and Infinite Games: A Vision of Life as Play and Possibility and The Religious Case Against Belief by James Carse
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The difference between being healthy or not healthy mostly comes down to the simple things within your control like eating nutrient-rich foods, incorporating movement into your daily routine and following a stable sleep schedule.
Like Paul, BIOptimizers co-founders, Matt Gallant and Wade Lightheart, constantly test, test and test their bodies, beliefs and products to ensure those simple things are always protecting and enhancing better health.
Building on that theme of experimenting, Matt talks about the 80,000+ experiments he’s done on BIOptimizers products over the years and Wade shares his bucket theory of nutrition that will make your health more bulletproof this week on Spirit Gym.
Besides the many great BIOptimizers products Wade and Matt have developed, you’ll want to check out the BIOptimizers Nutrition Coach Program. Look for Matt and Wade on social media via Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. Listen to the BIOptimizers Awesome Health Podcast hosted by Wade on Apple Podcasts.
Timestamps
2:19 Is maltodextrin in your electrolyte drink?
6:08 BiOptimizers’ bio-lab recently topped the 80,000 mark in experiments.
10:17 Wade’s concussion theory.
24.28 “Matt loves running experiments on everything.”
32:42 Do you have a zinc deficiency?
38:32 Can you really feel the truth?
51:30 How to make your health more bulletproof.
1:00:37 Wade’s bucket theory of nutrition.
1:08:55 Feeling the sensation of a weightlifter’s/athlete’s heart.
1:16:38 Understanding cofactors.
1:22:53 “One of the hardest things [for humans] to absorb is fat soluble molecules.”
1:33:21 Protecting your microbiome.
1:45:44 Wade’s small confession.
1:53:30 The power of the placebo and the biology of belief.
2:02:00 The benefits of experiential reality.
2:17:06 Substitute the word belief for hypothesis and your life will change.
2:23:00 “Children are the ultimate health hack.”
Resources
The Ultimate Nutrition Bible by Matt Gallant and Wade Lightheart
Orthomolecular Psychiatry: Treatment Of Schizophrenia by Dr. David Hawkins and Dr. Linus Pauling
Bioaccessibility, bioavailability and metabolism of functional foods, Handbook of Functional Foods
Paul’s podcast conversation with Jason Christoff
Hildegard von Bingen’s Physica by Saint Hildegard of Bingen and Priscilla Throop
The Fat of the Land by Vilhjalmur Stefansson
Your Body’s Many Cries for Water by Fereydoon Batmanghelidj
The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life by Robert Becker and Gary Selden
Tuning in to Nature by Philip Callahan
Biochemical Individuality by Roger Williams
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Toward the end of her first Spirit Gym conversation with Paul, Dr. Joanna Kujawa described how Baba Yaga insisted on being included in her recent book, Alien Goddess: UFOs, AI and the Goddesses of Ascension. 
Joanna and Paul continue their conversation about Baba Yaga and her connection to Mother Earth as the soul and guardian of our planet who has had quite enough of our human shenanigans and isn’t putting up with it any longer this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Joanna’s work on her website and Substack. Find her on social media via Facebook, Instagram and YouTube.
Timestamps
7:01 Could Baba Yaga be Mother Earth, the spirit of our planet?
10:50 “The issue is authenticity.”
19:22 Joanna felt a sense of urgency while writing her book, Alien Goddess.
28:57 Becoming the change you want to see in the world by making small choices.
36:53 The four levels of consciousness.
44:55 Ignorance versus wisdom.
48:51 “Mystics see in the light what scientists try to measure but seldom get.”
1:02:02 The Ahrimanic deception.
1:12:55 The looming conflict ahead: Consciousness, how we define it and what we can do to prevent its suppression.
1:29:30 Are we too focused on the untruths?
1:35:50 Will this delusion of merging body and machine eventually end well?
1:43:52 A necessary sacrifice.
1:58:04 Ascending and descending waves of consciousness.
2:03:04 Why Baba Yaga is angry with us.
2:16:31 “We know what they are.”
2:30:24 Be a spiritual warrior in the face of oppression and suppression from AI and too much tech.
2:45:05 Communicating in liminal and imaginal space.
2:55:50 “As we evolve, God evolves.”
3:00:33 “The best thing you can do for God is to work on yourself.” 
Resources  
The Other Goddess by Dr. Joanna Kujawa
Mythologium 2026: Mythic Imagination rewatch
Rupert Sheldrake discusses The Science Delusion on YouTube
I, Robot (movie)
Mercy (movie)
The myth of Prometheus
The story of Enlil and Enki
The myth of Demeter and Persephone
Involution and evolution, according to Rudolf Steiner
Pistis Sophia
Farmers of Forty Centuries: Organic Farming in China, Korea and Japan by F.H. King
The work of Marie-Louise von Franz, Victor Frankl, David Bohm, Dr. Fred Allen Wolf, Dr. William Tiller, Sam Altman, Gregg Braden, Billy Carson, Rabia al Basri and Edward O. Wilson
Paul’s podcast conversations with Amit Goswami, Sean O’Laoire, Dr. Marc Gafni, Dr. Jared Horvath and Elizabeth Nelson
Paul’s podcast on Lucifer, Christ and Ahriman
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Living the life of your dreams is very hard work.
Paul believes much of that hard work comes from being open (and brave) to listen to new and different ideas — things you may never have considered before — then testing them in your own laboratory of daily living to see if they’re true and they work for you.
Having the courage to explore and refine your life by doing the hard work of letting go of the stuff that isn’t working for you and choosing to allow the new in is a recurring theme in this week’s Spirit Gym conversation with Erick Godsey, a Master Coach and teacher of myth, science and philosophy. 
Remember, the best teachers you’ll ever have are the ones who are always challenging you to be your best you, not a clone or cult member!
Curious to read more after Paul’s conversation with Erick? Check out part 1 and part 2 of his Renaissance Fitness essays on Substack where you can subscribe to his feed for free.
Find out more about Erick and his work on his website and Skool.com/The Dharma Artist Collective. Look for him on social media via Instagram, Facebook and YouTube. Listen to his Myths That Makes Us podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to them.
Timestamps
3:12 The spiritual community is splitting into different camps about how to handle technology.
7:58 Erick was slow to change his mind about God, reincarnation and remote viewing.
15:17 Paul’s remote viewing skills are put to the test.
25:25 “To remote view, you have to get rid of any idea that could alter your conviction that it's even possible.”
34:35 What does unconditional love mean?
44:03 Myths and archetypes.
51:05 Is there a fundamental grammar for archetypes that’s represented in the Tarot?
59:18 A metaphysical kind of artificial intelligence that’s been around for billions of years.
1:06:42 The illusions we create to make our stories work when they really don’t.
1:13:43 Paul’s dream: Do the work to figure things out for yourself and test what you learn, even from him.
1:19:46 Like Paul, Erick has been accused of being a cult leader and he lists it on his resume as a source of pride.
1:23:46 One thought leader believes it could take about 735 lifetimes to reach a state of enlightenment.
1:31:42 “I see a lot of sleeping teachers and potential leaders.”
1:40:30 The deep importance of your dream life.
1:47:10 Paul explains how to speak to and hear your soul.
2:01:48 Paul helps Erick work with his soul.
2:10:44 Heart breathing, soul connection and praying.
Resources
Life Before Life: Children’s Memories of Past Lives by Dr. Jim B. Tucker
Phenomena: The Secret of the U.S. Government’s Investigations into Extrasensory Perception and Psychokinesis by Annie Jacobsen
The work of Dr. Stanislav Grof, Paramahansa Yogananda, Ibn Arabi, Itzhak Bentov, Arthur M. Young, Huston Smith, Jean Gebser, Eckhart Tolle and Laozi
Fingers Pointing Toward the Moon by Wei Wu Wei
Paul’s podcast conversation with James Carse
When God Was a Woman by Merlin Stone
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Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music 
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